Biggest Risk?

[261275]

Evaluating the future of idn.com factoring all that is valid as of today,
What is the biggest risk(s)/Obstacles you see? Try and remain objective

[idn]

Latin IDNs- ASCII owners getting pissed off, unnecessary accent marks in certain languages

Chinese IDNs- the government

Japanese IDNs- the .com versus the .jp

Russian IDNs- the .ru

All non Latin idns- idn.idn

A few to start....

[261275]

Originally Posted by idn

Latin IDNs- ASCII owners getting pissed off, unnecessary accent marks in certain languages

Chinese IDNs- the government

Japanese IDNs- the .com versus the .jp

Russian IDNs- the .ru

All non Latin idns- idn.idn

A few to start....

Latin IDNs - Who decides what is and not necessary? getting pissed off? they did before at any other occasion they missed on a business opportunity.
Chinese .com domains have nothing to do with the Chinese govt.
Business has to be conducted as required under the Chinese govt law, regardless of domain names.
Japanese IDNs - The only problem imo is if the .jp would be aliased and the .com/net would not but that is not really an option considering what is coming from ICANN and the public responses.
Russian IDNs - There will be no idn equivalent to .ru (.ru = .ру in cyrillic) which is confusing with the english .py (Paraguay).
The NEW ccTLD .рф (.rf for Russian Federation) Should start taking application for sunrise,sunset and sunshine next year.

.com is the biggest brand in the world. i dont see a problem for both to co-exist.

[idn]

Originally Posted by 261275

Latin IDNs - Who decides what is and not necessary? getting pissed off? they did before at any other occasion they missed on a business opportunity.
Chinese .com domains have nothing to do with the Chinese govt.
Business has to be conducted as required under the Chinese govt law, regardless of domain names.
Japanese IDNs - The only problem imo is if the .jp would be aliased and the .com/net would not but that is not really an option considering what is coming from ICANN and the public responses.
Russian IDNs - There will be no idn equivalent to .ru (.ru = .ру in cyrillic) which is confusing with the english .py (Paraguay).
The NEW ccTLD .рф (.rf for Russian Federation) Should start taking application for sunrise,sunset and sunshine next year.

.com is the biggest brand in the world. i dont see a problem for both to co-exist.

Further explain...

Latin IDNs- urdp- because the domains are "too" similar

Chinese- .cn's taken off of you for government use. .COM- firewall prevents any traffic

Japanese- I am talking about from a speculation standpoint. What if I invest $xx,xxx in a .com and .jp ends up being top dog? This is a different risk. Yes, they can co-exist, but one will eventually be "premium".

[261275]

Originally Posted by idn

Further explain...

Latin IDNs- urdp- because the domains are "too" similar

Chinese- .cn's taken off of you for government use. .COM- firewall prevents any traffic

Japanese- I am talking about from a speculation standpoint. What if I invest $xx,xxx in a .com and .jp ends up being top dog? This is a different risk. Yes, they can co-exist, but one will eventually be "premium".

UDRP Because the domain is 'too' similar.
What else is new? BS UDRP's happened yesterday, happens today and will continue tomorrow.

Chinese: sure there is a risk with .CN, which is why i was specific to .com/net
Firewall prevents nothing if you play by the book.

Japanese: Which is the 'premium' today in Japan? .com or .jp?
If it means anything, google:
479,000,000 for site:.com 日本
197,000,000 for site:.jp 日本

Diversification.

[idn]

Originally Posted by 261275

UDRP Because the domain is 'too' similar.
What else is new? BS UDRP's happened yesterday, happens today and will continue tomorrow.

Chinese: sure there is a risk with .CN, which is why i was specific to .com/net
Firewall prevents nothing if you play by the book.

Japanese: Which is the 'premium' today in Japan? .com or .jp?
If it means anything, google:
479,000,000 for site:.com 日本
197,000,000 for site:.jp 日本

Hey man, I thought you were asking for opinions?

No, udrp's of Latin idns is really a completely new phenomena. Yes, there have been a trickle of cases, but who really knows what will happen. A lot of the letters/accents are really not necessary!

As far as .com firewall, etc go, how much traffic do you get on your chinese .com/.nets? I think I know the answer.

That still does not prove anything for the .jp/.com debate. Again, it is impossible to predict the future. Look what is "premium" today in Russia- the .ru. And as we all believe that should/could change.

[James]

I think .com and ccTLD will co-exist in most countries if not all. In some countries, .com is better, in other countries ccTLD is better. They are all good.

This may not be good in some sense for IDNers since end users will have two options. If they cannot get one they will be happy to have the other. In ascii, .com is king, making them expensive. However, it may be important for end users to have both .com and .ccTLD since if one version gets famous the other may get quite a lot of free traffic.

The situation in China is a little difficult to predict since no one knows what the government will do. My feeling is ccTLD is a better investment in long term. Deletion will not likely be a big issue since the government and CNNIC know if they do stupid things, they will screw up themselves. After seeing some deletions, it is pretty clear what is safe and what is not.

The risk with Chinese .com is if the government and CNNIC really want to promote .cn and want everyone use .cn, they may do some bad things to Chinese IDN.com. We have seen CNNIC talk loudly about IDN .cn on TV and other occasions. They never mentioned anything about IDN .com. Verisign may not even have a chance to promote IDN .com in China. They may not even want to do it anyway.

.com can certainly get a free ride when IDN.IDN gets promoted. There are well known .com websites like baidu.com, qq.com, sohu.com... Unless those websites change to .cn, which is impossible to happen, .com should be valuable for quite a while.

Of course, all these are speculative. I am developing two names, one .cn and one .com.

[idn]

Originally Posted by James

I think .com and ccTLD will co-exist in most countries if not all. In some countries, .com is better, in other countries ccTLD is better. They are all good.

This may not be good in some sense for IDNers since end users will have two options. If they cannot get one they will be happy to have the other. In ascii, .com is king, making them expensive. However, it may be important for end users to have both .com and .ccTLD since if one version gets famous the other may get quite a lot of free traffic.

The situation in China is a little difficult to predict since no one knows what the government will do. My feeling is ccTLD is a better investment in long term. Deletion will not likely be a big issue since the government and CNNIC know if they do stupid things, they will screw up themselves. After seeing some deletions, it is pretty clear what is safe and what is not.

The risk with Chinese .com is if the government and CNNIC really want to promote .cn and want everyone use .cn, they may do some bad things to Chinese IDN.com. We have seen CNNIC talk loudly about IDN .cn on TV and other occasions. They never mentioned anything about IDN .com. Verisign may not even have a chance to promote IDN .com in China. They may not even want to do it anyway.

.com can certainly get a free ride when IDN.IDN gets promoted. There are well known .com websites like baidu.com, qq.com, sohu.com... Unless those websites change to .cn, which is impossible to happen, .com should be valuable for quite a while.

Of course, all these are speculative. I am developing two names, one .cn and one .com.

Very well thought post.

[261275]

Originally Posted by James

.com can certainly get a free ride when IDN.IDN gets promoted.

I don't think those who bought domains as early as 2000, some with businesses on them , some without (thanks IE6) can be considered as getting a free ride.

The purpose of idn domains and the right of every internet user that owns a domain is to finally after years of delays to get what they bought to 'work' properly.
The way it works for the English speaking world , 100% in the native language.

A Couple of people on this forum can make it 'work' in a couple hours.

[WOT]

The biggest risk ? - nobody wanting to buy our names.